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Rev



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PostPosted: 31/12/10, 16:34    Post subject: Uplyme Church Reordering Reply with quote

Uplyme Parish church is planning to reorder some of the interior of the church building (in fact, it has been discussing proposals for the past 40 years!)

Please excuse the brevity of this post - it is not a full consultation but I'm posting in the spirit of keeping local people in the picture. I and members of the PCC will be happy to respond to more detailed questions from anyone on the parish (and wider).

At the moment, for big gatherings, we simply cannot get everyone in the church building. We regularly have over 200 people crammed into the space. The space is not very flexible for concerts, worship, prayer, meetings, and so on - we currently have to move the seating around. The space is not particularly attractive. About half the floor-space is carpeted with brown, tatty carpet. There is a mix-match of tatty Victorian pews (they have been hacked around, are not hard-wood, or particularly beautiful), soft red chairs, wooden folding chairs, and about three different kinds of black ugly plastic chair. Finally, we would like to bless the school by giving them a space they can use - the church is empty 90% of school hours.

The bottom line is that we would like to remove all the seating and replace it with attractive, matching, light and flexible seating - for the whole floor space and balcony. We would also like to carpet the whole floor making it look and feel warmer (particularly for children to sit on). We would also like to build a floor in the bell tower (there used to be one) to give us more space. This would actually suit the bell-ringers better as they get a better connection with the bells! We would remove the two modern choir frontals (that are not of historical relevance) in the chancel and move the old choir stalls back towards the walls. We would remove the bits of carpet that are covering the lovely marble tiles. This would give us more space in the chancel for smaller worship gatherings, prayer and for additional seating without changing the character of the space.

I must emphasise that we are keen for the whole building to retain its character - particularly the Victorian chancel. All works have to be approved by the Diocesan Advisory Committee, wood specialist, etc. And of course, we will provide a full consultation with the community - with proposed plans, etc.
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PostPosted: 02/01/11, 11:25    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rev,

Are comments and questions invited from villagers who are not part of the congregation ?

G.
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PostPosted: 02/01/11, 15:41    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, absolutely. Smile
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PostPosted: 04/01/11, 11:46    Post subject: Re: Uplyme Church Reordering Reply with quote

I am not a member of the congregation, so my own views are simply one of a villager of over 20 years, who regards the church as a historical landmark building in the village. Like any other public building, I think if the carpets, chairs or other fixtures or fittings are tatty then they should be removed and replaced with tastefully selected items that complement the building.

I consider the pews to be a traditional part of the church and if, as you say, they are Victorian, they have been there in excess of a century. Once torn out I doubt if they will ever be replaced in the future - likewise the chancel woodwork. I can understand that you want to make the most efficient use of the limited space available, especially if sometimes you are unable to accommodate all the people who would like to attend services, but we do have the Village Hall which is an excellent venue for larger events.

In towns where contemporary churches have been built, we expect to see contemporary furnishings, but in a historical building such as Uplyme church (parts of which date back to the 14th Century) I think people expect to find traditional fittings and layout. I fear that if older churches are gradually stripped of their characterful and sometimes quirky interiors, they risk becoming just another (dangerously expensive) building. Optimised and modernised, but robbed of the atmosphere that gives you that wonderful feeling of awe when you enter a well-conserved historical building, religeous or secular. Rev suggests that the changes can be made "Without changing the character of the space". I cannot imagine how.

Finally, writing as an ex-bellringer, who has rung in Uplyme several times, I wholeheartendly applaud the proposal to reinstate the ringing chamber floor. This will definately make the ringers' job easier - especially for beginners to whom long ropes can be extremely daunting. In fact, come to think of it I really can't imagine who could have thought that ripping out such a traditional church fixture was a good idea Wink

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PostPosted: 04/01/11, 16:15    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Geoff and Jeff

Geoff, please let me assure you that nothing will be 'ripped' out - and certainly not the Victorian chancel woodwork (even though the Victorians mangled the older woodwork - bless' em'). The only bit of chancel wood we are proposing to remove is the 1950s choir frontals (not the choir pews - but the new shelves in front). The DAC (Diocesan Advisory Committee) do not think these are of any historic value. The Diocesan woodwork specialist is coming to triple check that this is the case. We will not be removing the Victorian choir stalls that are of historical and aesthetic value. In fact, if anything, we are restoring the chancel.

In the main body of the church, only about 1/2 of the available space is occupied by pews - some were removed and replaced by chairs (I believe) about 10 years ago. The remaining pews - although no older than Victorian (and quite possibly more modern) - are pine, not hardwood. They are not fixed and are movable. They have been chopped about and modern incongruous shelves added to them - and these are not even consistent in style. I agree, that if the pews were good examples of Victorian furniture - such as those in, say, Combpyne or Axmouth, then of course, they should be preserved. The DAC (Diocesan Advisory Committee) looked at them and agreed that they were not worth preserving - and believe me, they would take convincing if they though they were of any historical value.

It might be worth noting that the parish church (originally) would not have had pews at all - like the cathedral. It is not a Victorian church or a good example of Victoriana - although the chancel does have a Victorian collegiate feel that we are keen to keep.

Jeff, I agree that any new or replacement seating should, as far as possible, be in keeping with the church - it should at least serve its purpose and be aesthetically pleasing. We would certainly not replace the seating with anything that looked modern or out of place. It is worth noting that currently, half the seating in Uplyme Church (orange plastic chairs, black plastic chairs, wooden folding seats and two sorts of soft chair) is not in keeping with either each other or the building - and this is something I would like to resolve.

I hope this helps.
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